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heistLAB: Inside SentimenTrader.com (Stock Market Sentiment) with founder Jason Goepfert

September 13, 2010 in SentimenTrader

SentimenTrader founder Jason Goepfert gives a detailed explanation of what SentimenTrader is and how investors and traders can benefit from his website. SentimenTrader.com is one of the most respected and widely used resource for stock market sentiment data, indicators, models, and analysis by top analysts, money managers, and traders. In fact, the site provides sentiment data on other markets including bonds, futures, currencies, and commodities. There is a good chance someone involved with managing your money uses SentimenTrader.

Sentiment in the market, simply, is how bullish or bearish the market participants are. With the information SentimenTrader provides, you get a sense of how optimistic, overly optimistic, pessimistic, or downright depressed the people in the markets are. As Jason explained in our previous interview with him, sentiment can be used as information to make investing and trading decisions.

In this interview, Jason explains how he himself uses the data on SentimenTrader.com. Also, Jason tells us some of the biggest misconceptions for using sentiment information to gauge the stock market, and he gives his suggestions of how to benefit from sentiment data.

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Previous Interviews with Jason

Traders Unscripted: SentimenTrader Jason Goepfert in “Meet the Masters” Series

About Jason Goepfert

Jason Goepfert is President of sentimenTrader.com. He has been trading stocks, stock and index options, index futures, currencies and commodities for over 15 years. He holds several securities licenses and has most recently managed the operations of a $3B hedge fund and top-10 online brokerage (Gomez rankings).

Jason founded sentimenTrader in 1998, and began a web presence in 2001. Currently, the site has subscribers in all 50 states and 40+ foreign countries. In 2004, Jason was awarded the prestigious Charles H. Dow Award for Excellence in Technical Analysis by Market Technicians Association.

Tick Tock In Tech?

April 30, 2010 in SentimenTrader

Here’s an interesting take on Nasdaq sentiment from Mark Hulbert (via CBS Marketwatch):

Consider the Hulbert Nasdaq Newsletter Sentiment Index (HNNSI), which represents the average recommended stock market exposure among a subset of short-term Nasdaq market timers tracked by the Hulbert Financial Digest. This is a useful sentiment measure on which to focus, since the Nasdaq market is one in which sentiment plays a particularly large role (remember the Internet bubble)?

The HNNSI’s latest level, at 80%, is dangerously high.
To put this current level of bullishness into perspective, consider that the HNNSI as recently as early February — at the depths of the January-February stock market correction — stood at minus 16.1%, or 96 percentage points below where it is today. That represents an extraordinary swing in sentiment for just 2-1/2 months.

In fact, to find another occasion on which the HNNSI was any higher than where it stands now, you have to go back to July 2000, almost 10 years ago. That earlier occasion, need I remind you, came just as the Internet bubble was unraveling and the mood was still quite giddy.

I have no idea the historical predictive power of that measure, but the reason I find it notable is because it fits very well with what we’re seeing from traders in the Rydex mutual fund family:

There is currently nearly 4 times more money “invested” in the leveraged Nasdaq 100 bull fund than the Nasdaq 100 bear fund at Rydex.  That is among the highest we’ve seen since these funds started gaining popularity.

The ratio did spike above 4 on March 27th, for only the second time in recent history.  The other was January 5th of this year – not a great time to be heavily long tech over the next several weeks.

Hey, If You’re 25, Have I Got A Fund For You!

April 16, 2010 in SentimenTrader

Here’s a doozy:

Why Young People Should Buy Stocks on Margin
Source:  Time Magazine

The authors (academics, of course) contend that everyone in their 20s and 30s should be leveraged at least 2-to-1 to the stock market.  Ideally 3-to-1, but after that the carrying cost of leverage starts to eat into returns.

The academics contend that the increased leveraged reduces risk for young folks.  Yes, reduces it.  Because they are investing for long periods of time, and they don’t have much money to begin with, their risk is minimal.

OK, if I’m 25 and I have $5000, that’s not a lot of money to someone who’s done well and is 50.  But when you’re 25, saving $5000 is a big deal.  It may not seem like a lot in absolute terms, but if it’s 100% of my liquid net worth, then it’s a bunch.  And I’m supposed to go 3-to-1 into stocks.

So let’s say I do that in October 2007, and buy 500 shares of SSO (a fund the authors recommend for retirement accounts…let’s not get into the folly of leveraged ETFs).  In March 2009, my $5000 would have turned into $750, a loss of 85%.

Even after the 200% rally in that fund over the past year, it needs to rally another 122% just to get me to breakeven.

But that’s only a few years, right?  We’re talking about a 45-year time horizon.  So, who knows, maybe it will all work out in the end and those leveraged funds will end up giving me an extra 60% by the time I retire.  That’s the long-term average, after all.

Let me say this, though.  Suggesting that young people go full-tilt leveraged into stocks is not diversification.  Don’t let any academic tell you otherwise.

Markets Bracing For A Pullback? Really?

April 13, 2010 in SentimenTrader

A new low in journalism yesterday from CNBC:

As Economy, Profits Rebound, Markets Brace For…A Pullback

So I’m expecting some evidence that investors are scrambling for protection here, waiting for stocks to decline.  I always like to hear the other side of the story.

The journalist starts out well…

“the consensus among pros is that stocks are overdue for a pullback”

OK, fine…what are you using for the “consensus”?

He goes on to quote three professionals, all looking for a pullback.

Then this:

“At least one strategist thinks the strong belief for a correction could be an indicator that the market actually could advance during earnings.”

And then this:

But even if stocks do fall, the general sentiment is that a pullback here would be a constructive sign that the market is moving in a cycle typical of sustained bull markets.

He then goes on to quote one more kinda-sorta bearish analyst.  Then one more bullish one.

So overall, the “consensus” about professionals expecting a pullback was derived from 4 analysts who expect a short-term pullback, and two that do not.  And even if we do get a correction, it’s actually bullish for the market longer-term.

And this really justifies “Markets Brace For…A Pullback”?  Ugh.

No discussion of how real-money data shows options traders are more heavily invested on the long side than any point since March 2000.  Or sentiment surveys showing some of the highest optimism in years (or close to it).  Yes, there are some indicators (such as mutual fund flows) that show investors are not becoming giddy.  But those are few and far between.  And none of them were quoted in the article.

Greek Yields…Another January Similarity?

April 7, 2010 in SentimenTrader

There is a lot of focus at the moment on Greece, and the major spike in interest rates there today.

The chart below plots the yield on 6-month Greece Bills versus the S&P 500.  Note how the prior spike slightly preceded and then coincided with the January peak in the S&P.

Also note today’s move.  Could be a one-day wonder…but I wonder.

iPad, Apple, And The Next Week (Or So)

April 6, 2010 in SentimenTrader

This post is out of the norm, but I just can’t resist.  It’s about Apple (AAPL), but more specifically the iPad, human behavior and why I think it’s due for a short-term dip.

First, let me get the actionable out of the way.  Apple stock recorded a perfected sell setup according to DeMark analysis on Thursday.  This has happened 8 other times since the March 2009 market bottom:  3/23/09, 4/16/09, 6/5/09, 7/23/09, 9/17/09, 11/17/09, 1/4/10, 3/9/10.

Check out Apple’s price action in the week or so following the dates.  Not great.

Now for the context.

I spent an inordinate amount of time over the weekend doing line checks (get a life, right?).  I obviously saw the news reports about Apple stores, but I saw no shortages whatsoever, especially at Best Buy.  You could get in and out in 5 minutes…either there’s not much demand, or Apple really stocked them (which I didn’t think was likely because they like the hype of “sellouts”).

Sunday afternoon Twitter blew up with reports from a Piper analyst that suggested 700k iPads were sold.  I thought that was ridiculous, especially when I found out he got that number by counting ~700 people at an Apple store and said that was double the people he counted for the iPhone, so he doubled that estimate.  I laughed out loud, but everyone took the estimate as gospel.  I couldn’t believe it.

That was especially the case because there were so many mixed reviews.  Everyone loved the screen, but the clear conclusion was that as of now, it’s just a luxury entertainment device.  With wifi problems.  And no Flash support.  Which is too heavy.  And awkward for typing.  And slippery.  And smudgy.  Without a camera.  Or USB.  Or Microsoft Office support.  During the worst employment scenario in 80 years.

I think there will be heavier-than-expected returns, and a steeper-than-expected drop-off after the first weekend.  Those that rushed out are either early adopters who will buy everything, or hangers-on that want to look cool.  After spending $1000 (after taxes, extended warranties, add-ons, etc), they feel they have to justify the purchase.  That shouldn’t last long.

Perhaps this cartoon says it all about the hype:

Like I said, this isn’t my usual cup of tea.  But it’s an extraordinarily interesting moment for Apple.  And since that one stock makes up 17% of the Nasdaq 100, more than triple the next largest component, as goes Apple so goes the NDX.

Maybe Thursday’s announcement of the next installment of the iPhone will bring enough enhancements to justify all the price upgrades that came out on Monday (I hope so, since I own an iPhone and bemoan the missing features).  And maybe their staggered rollout plan (3G, then foreign sales) will also be enough to keep shoveling coal on the fire.

But for now – like the next week or so – I think the chances are better for weakness as opposed to a continuation of the momentum…a break below $235 would be good confirmation of that.  Thursday’s event is a wild card, so we’ll have to see how that goes.

Repeat Of January Pattern

March 31, 2010 in SentimenTrader

I’m watching 1165ish on the S&P futures closely today.

Why?  Among other reasons, we’re seeing a (somewhat) similar price pattern to January:

1.  Multi-month uptrend
2.  Test of support of a breakout level that met the uptrend line
3.  Several days of choppy price action with closing prices below opening prices.

Here’s January (using SPY):

Now here’s today (using ES):

If we lose 1165 on ES, and especially 1155, we will change from “uptrend” to “trading range” and it should be easier to sell subsequent rallies.

Institutional Investors Too Bullish?

March 29, 2010 in SentimenTrader

Interesting chart of institutional sentiment via ISI group.  Danger zone:

Hat tip:  The Big Picture

Junk Bond Issuance As A Sentiment Tell

March 29, 2010 in SentimenTrader

Interesting article today on Bloomberg:

“Junk bond sales reached a record this month as rising profits and record low Federal Reserve interest rates foster lending and investment to the lowest-rated borrowers.”

Here is the money quote:

“This is “an almost ‘Goldilocks’ environment for leveraged credit markets,” JPMorgan Chase & Co. analysts led by Peter Acciavatti, the top-ranked high-yield strategist in Institutional Investor magazine’s annual survey for the past seven years, said in a March 26 report to the bank’s clients.
Sales soared as investors plowed a record $33.6 billion into speculative-grade funds this quarter…”

We’ll have a chart of this data over the past decade in tomorrow’s Morning Report.  It shows a definite cyclical nature and the current record isn’t the greatest sign for stocks going forward.

A Negative Divergence: S&P 500 vs. the Baltic Dry Index

March 26, 2010 in SentimenTrader

Many like to point out the performance of the Baltic Dry Index as a leading indicator for stocks.

I don’t necessarily subscribe to that theory (too many false signals), but those bullish may be worried about the current setup.

Testing The Wall Of Worry

March 25, 2010 in SentimenTrader

This is from our Morning Report this morning:

One chink in the armor of those who suggest folks are all-out too bullish right now comes from the sentiment survey from the American Association Of Individual Investors.

The percentage of respondents in that poll who expect the market to rise dropped last week, despite a market that’s been hitting on all cylinders.  And it dropped again this week, despite the S&P moving to a new high.

Not surprisingly, this is not typical.  Usually, we see these investors get more and more optimistic as the market rises (especially when it hits a new high) and more and more pessimistic as it declines.
I completely detest the phrase “bull markets climb a wall of worry” because it’s an over-used, not-entirely-accurate platitude.  Surely, it will be thrown out a sickening number of times today from anyone who studies this data.

Instead of clichés, let’s just look at history and see if this has ever happened before.  What we’ll look for is any time that the AAII Bullish Percentage declined at least 10% (for example, from 60% Bulls to 50% Bulls) over the past two weeks while the S&P 500 rose at least +1% to a new 52-week high during that same span, from the survey’s inception in 1987 through the present.

For the most part, the market did OK going forward…but it surely wasn’t the raging buy signal that the “wall of worry” camp would suck us into believing.  A month later the S&P was positive less often than random, and with an average return that was less than a quarter that of random.
In fact, across all time frames the performance was good, but not statistically different from any other time.
If you’re looking for a bullish angle, then you might zero in on the fact that not only did the Bullish Percentage drop by a large amount, but it’s at a relatively low absolutely level of 32%.

There were only four weeks from the above table where the Bulls were this low or lower:  07/19/89, 03/03/93, 11/06/96 and 05/02/07.  The performance in the S&P after those instances was better, at least in terms of consistency.  Each was positive 1 week, 3 months and 6 months later, with averages of +1.1%, 3.8% and 4.4%, respectively.  That’s good, but again nothing awe-inspiring.

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The VIX Is Useless?

March 22, 2010 in SentimenTrader

I haven’t studied this at all, but it’s an interesting point.

Via The Growth Stock Wire:

The blue circles highlight the last five VIX option-expiration dates.

Following October expiration, the November VIX call options were much more expensive than the November puts. When November options expired, the December VIX call options were more expensive than the puts. Ditto for when the December and January options expired as well.

The exception was after the February VIX options expired. March puts and calls were evenly priced. This was the only time in the past six months the VIX didn’t spike higher… and the only time stocks didn’t drop lower immediately following VIX options expiration.

So in four of the past five months, VIX call options were much more expensive than the puts following option-expiration day. The market sold off in every case.

And that brings us to today:

VIX options for March expired yesterday. The VIX closed at just under 17. The VIX April 17 put options are trading for $0.30 while the April 17 calls are $3.30 – eleven times more expensive.

Traders Unscripted: SentimenTrader Jason Goepfert in “Meet the Masters” Series

February 18, 2010 in SentimenTrader

Interview with SentimenTrader.com’s Jason Goepfert, Sundial Capital Research founder & 2004 Charles Dow Award winner.  Jason manages the extensive market sentiment indicators and models website http://sentimentrader.com, an essential resource for top traders and money managers.

Jason shares his story of starting in Wells Fargo’s mail room stuffing IRA packages just to get his foot in the business.  Though hard work and passion for the markets, Jason helped build Wells Fargo‘s discount online brokerage from 5 people to over 300.  Along the way, Jason learned every aspect of the brokerage business.  By objectively observing customer (traders & investors) behavior, especially during market drops when margin calls were issued, Jason learned first hand how traders & investors behave at different cycles of the market and knew how to read the signs in various sentiment readings.  By watching how others succeeded and failed, Jason saw beyond the price in the markets and understood how other traders are likely to act.  Based on this knowledge and experience, Jason went on to build http://sentimentrader.com.

Watch for Jason Goepfert on “HeistLABS”, talking about http://sentimentrader.com and the invaluable tools it provides, it’s purpose and how he himself uses the sentiment models and indicators. (Coming soon to http://marketHEIST.com)

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About Jason Goepfert

Jason Goepfert is President of sentimenTrader.com. He has been trading stocks, stock and index options, index futures, currencies and commodities for over 15 years. He holds several securities licenses and has most recently managed the operations of a $3B hedge fund and top-10 online brokerage (Gomez rankings).

Jason founded sentimenTrader in 1998, and began a web presence in 2001. Currently, the site has subscribers in all 50 states and 40+ foreign countries. In 2004, Jason was awarded the prestigious Charles H. Dow Award for Excellence in Technical Analysis by Market Technicians Association.

Mutual Funds Are Asset-Rich And Cash-Poor

January 29, 2010 in SentimenTrader

My Dad admires a man he used to work for, always saying “I wish I was that rich.”

And he is rich, holding somewhere around $2 million in Wisconsin timberland.  But he’s always short on cash, and has to borrow to meet some basic monthly expenses.  That’s usually fine, but if things turn south,  then he may not be able to borrow, or sell some land to generate cash, and could run into a heap of trouble.  He’s asset-rich, but cash-poor.

Mutual fund managers seem to be in the same boat.

The chart below shows the total amount of liquid assets (i.e. cash) held by US equity mutual funds.  As of December, it dropped to 3.6% of total assets.  That’s the 2nd-lowest amount in history, next to June and July of 2007.

This has been a decent contrary sentiment indicator, as extremely low levels of cash tend to lead to subpar performance in stocks in the months ahead, and vice-versa.  Certainly there are good reasons to hold little cash right now (exceptionally low yields, strict fund charters against market timing, etc.).  So maybe this isn’t as effective an indicator as it used to be.

But personally, I’d sure like to see a larger cash cushion, just so I felt more comfortable that in the next leg lower in equities, we won’t have a rush of mutual fund managers selling stocks to meet redemptions instead of being able to pay them out of their cash hoard.

A subscription to sentimenTrader gives you daily in-depth sentiment research, charts and analysis.  Find out more here.

Big Drop In Sentiment

January 27, 2010 in SentimenTrader


The latest data from Investor’s Intelligence showed a huge one-week decline in bulls, as newsletter writers adjusted to the drop in equities last week.  The 23% one-week drop in bullish sentiment is one of the sharpest in the past 20 years.
While this is usually considered a contrary sign (i.e. bullish for the market), there are a few caveats:
1.  The decline comes from a very high level of bullishness.
2.  The bulls didn’t turn into bears; they mostly went into the “correction” camp.
3.  Declining sentiment from high levels tends to be bearish for the market, not bullish.
In a Research Report for subscribers this morning, we showed what’s happened in the past when we saw big drops in sentiment from high levels.  While not a big edge, it did help confirm that last caveat.

A subscription to sentimenTrader gives you daily in-depth sentiment research, charts and analysis.  Find out more here.

Where The Money Went

January 27, 2010 in SentimenTrader

This addresses something we touched on in early January when folks were stating that there was excessive *pessimism* among individual investors because of poor inflows to mutual funds.

The ETF industry has exploded since the March bounce, and there are now 836 such instruments issued by 35 providers with a total market capitalization of $782 billion.

Source:  Zero Hedge

State Of The Union…Does The Market Care?

January 25, 2010 in SentimenTrader

On Wednesday, President Obama will give his first (official) State Of The Union address.  In a research report for subscribers, we looked at market performance in the days surrounding each speech since 1950, along with any differences between Democratic and Republican Presidents (surprisingly, there was a difference).

The chart above shows market performance following State Of The Union addresses by Democrats.  It looks very slightly positive, but it’s not far enough from random to be meaningful.  Interestingly, however, performance after first-term Presidential addresses was much less benign…

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What Happens When Sentiment Is Giddy During Earnings

January 14, 2010 in SentimenTrader

The above chart shows the last two times that sentiment (as measured by the Bull Ratio in the Investor’s Intelligence survey) was extremely high when earnings season for U.S. firms got underway.  By “extremely high”, I mean more than 3 out of every 4 respondents expecting a market rally.

Both times, the S&P 500 headed lower without much of a bounce during the approximately five-week long earnings season.  It’s tough to base any decision on two occurrences, so in a report for subscribers we went back to 1970 and looked for any others.  There were 15 instances in total, and for the most part weakness was pronounced going forward.

Also of interest is that in 14 out of 15 cases, sentiment was less bullish at the end of earnings season than at the beginning, suggesting that it’s awfully tough for stocks to meet such high expectations.